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airlockedmods ([personal profile] airlockedmods) wrote in [community profile] theairlock2017-09-10 01:20 pm
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Week 5

[Five weeks in, and suddenly your numbers have been reduced by a lot. All evidence of Oda's methodical slaughter has been wiped away by the robots, but getting rid of the memories isn't going to be so easy. Not to mention the emotional scars.

Again on Sunday morning, you'll find yourselves with some new memories and some new items. Today, however, there are no new rooms.]


Sunday | Monday | Tuesday | Wednesday | Thursday



(( ooc: Don't forget to turn in your AC for Week 4, submit your memory regains, and put in your Benefactor threads! ))
empathiser: <user name=sways> (16)

[personal profile] empathiser 2017-09-10 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
[Well that's a little out of the blue.]

I profile serial killers, yes. The more extreme examples.
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[personal profile] helladoptera 2017-09-11 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Right. Then I guess this isn't exactly... an extreme question, in the grand scheme of things, but...

[ Chloe, in that bed, asking her to... ]

If... someone close to you is dying, and they ask you to kill them, and you do it... does that make you a murderer?
empathiser: <user name=sways> (43)

[personal profile] empathiser 2017-09-11 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Ah. So not an easy question to answer then.

Will motions to the seat opposite him. Might wanna sit down for this one.
]

Are you asking from a legal standpoint, or a moral one?
helladoptera: but as far as I can remember (let's say sunshine for everyone)

[personal profile] helladoptera 2017-09-11 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
[ She sits! ]

I mean... legal's probably more cut and dry, right? But both are... relevant.
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[personal profile] empathiser 2017-09-11 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
[There's coffee if you want it Max, this could be a long one.]

Not especially. It's a thorny topic the world over, and crops up in debates frequently over whether it should be made legal or remain illegal. I'm no expert in it myself.

But as an example... if I were called to a case where a victim had been given an overdose of medication by their partner without first obtaining a court order and permissions from relevant physicians, and the case didn't take place in a state that allowed medical aid-in-dying in the first place then the team would be treating it as a homicide.
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[personal profile] helladoptera 2017-09-12 07:37 am (UTC)(link)
[ "Partner."

The word stings somehow, more than she'd like it to. ]


So... if you don't have proper permission, it's a homicide.

[ So she belongs in prison. ]
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[personal profile] empathiser 2017-09-12 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
[ He's watching her fairly closely now. It's an odd topic to bring up out of nowhere, and given how seriously she's taking the conversation, he can't help but wonder what the connection is here. ]

In the eyes of the law, yes.

[ There's a pause. ]

For all it tries though, the law isn't perfect or unbiased. And that's where the morality argument comes into it. Some people are against the idea of people suffering long term even if it's their choice to die, because the law is against it. Other people argue there's a very thin line between assisted suicide and murder, depending on people's motivations.

... Why the sudden interest?
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[personal profile] helladoptera 2017-09-13 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I was...

[ She looks very intently at her cup of coffee. ]

I tried to go back and... save Chloe's dad. He died in a car accident years ago. But when I got back to... the present, I guess, he'd bought Chloe a car and she'd been in this awful accident. And we hung out for a while, then she said that... her respiratory system was failing, and keeping her alive was way more than her parents could afford, so she asked me to...

[ She leaves the end a blank to fill. ]
empathiser: <user name=sways> (16)

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[personal profile] empathiser 2017-09-13 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
[Ah. Yeah, he doesn't need to be a psychic or anything to figure out where this had ended up going.]

... This is where the morality argument comes into it - is it a kindness or a cruelty to keep people alive when they don't want to keep living and there's no chance of an improvement to their situation? If an animal is in pain and suffering with no relief and no quality of life, it's considered a kindness to put them to sleep. But when it comes to people, we're far more cautious and there are far more layers to the argument.

For good reason, sure. The potential for abuse if it were readily available is staggering.

[He watches her, steadily]

... Legally, it would be considered wrong. But morally, some people would say that was the right thing to do. What do you think?
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[personal profile] helladoptera 2017-09-13 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I...

[ She thinks it over. People aren't animals, except sometimes maybe Rachel Amber but in all her memories she has no closure on that ghost deer so uh. Irrelevant, and just trying to distract her from the main issue here. ]

I think... it seemed like kindness at the time, but now... I'm not sure just yet.
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[personal profile] empathiser 2017-09-13 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
... A lot of things are like that. You... do something you think is right, or you think is the only option you have.

But something goes wrong, or you have regrets about what you did. [He's quiet for a moment.]

You swear to help someone and maybe you don't do enough, or you never had control of the situation in the first place and were just caught up in a situation you couldn't see unfolding until it was too late...

[He cuts himself off and inhales sharply. He had a lot of regrets when it came to Abigail. The staggering amount of responsibility he'd felt towards her, and that genuine affection that had come with it had meant he'd wanted to do anything to protect her, even when he'd found out how involved she'd been in her father's killings. Arms tied behind her back, driven by fear aside. If he could go back now, he... wouldn't have let Hannibal get involved.

He regretted letting Hannibal get involved at all. But he'd thought they shared that feeling of responsibility. He'd never thought that he'd handed Hannibal the key piece to whatever game he'd been concocting in his mind, with Will as the star.]


Was Chloe happy, in the end?
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[personal profile] helladoptera 2017-09-13 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Story of my life, in these memories I keep ending up with.

[ So much time spent making choices that, while they worked out, even then... she'd never been good at being decisive, certainly not before this crazy week back in Arcadia Bay. ]

She said... she said spending the day with me was the happiest she's been in a long time. And that she wanted that to be... to be her last memory. So yeah, I... I think so.
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[personal profile] empathiser 2017-09-13 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah.

[He sounds a little tired.]

The consequences of those scenarios are... painful. Sometimes.

[But that's not the point here.]

Maybe that's what you need to focus on. That she was happy and got what she wanted from it, if that's what helps you. [It sounds a bit selfish though. Putting that responsibility on someone else's shoulders to get what you wanted. Chloe didn't have to carry that weight once she'd died. Max did.]

Have I asked you about Chloe before? What kind of person she ... was? Is?

[Time travel.]
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helladoptera: the more you change (we will never be the same)

[personal profile] helladoptera 2017-09-14 06:26 am (UTC)(link)
[ Max nods. It's the best comfort she has, in all of this. ]

Is. My last memory was... after this one. I reset the timeline back to normal, stopped myself from saving William.

[ She smiles a little, quiet. ]

She's my best friend. She's... really cool, and way more rebellious than me. But she's not a bad person, she's... great. I miss her a lot.
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[personal profile] empathiser 2017-09-14 07:41 pm (UTC)(link)
That's a good motivator, to try and stay alive. To get back see someone you miss.

[But the way she speaks about Chloe is so soft and warm. It's obvious that she's someone important to Max from the crisis she was having over what had happened in that alternate timeline, and from the smile on her face.]

If you're ever feeling like you need something to remind you why you need to keep going.
helladoptera: live together (we will sell our uniform)

[personal profile] helladoptera 2017-09-15 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
[ Max nods. ]

I need to get back to her, there's... I have to find my way home. For a lot of reasons, but mostly for her.
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[personal profile] empathiser 2017-09-15 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Then make sure you do.

She'd probably be unimpressed if you ended up stuck in space for the next few years, yeah? So. There's your goal.